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Split proposal (again)

There was a discussion earlier – see § Split – about splitting this article. Having spent several weeks working on articles concerned with the family Apiaceae, I think this needs to be re-visited. Facts that are easily verified are:

Apium graveolens is a wild species which, according to Plants of the World Online, has a native distribution around the Mediterranean and eastwards to the western Himalayas.
The wild species has been bred in cultivation to produce at least three distinct groups (cultivar groups) of vegetables:
- Celery = Apium graveolens var. graveolens or Apium graveolens var. dulce if treated as a botanical variety, or Apium graveolens Dulce Group if treated as a cultivar group.
- Celeriac = Apium graveolens var. rapaceum as a botanical variety, or Apium graveolens Rapaceum Group as cultivar group
- Leaf celery = Apium graveolens var. secalinum as a botanical variety, or Apium graveolens Secalinum Group as cultivar group

Celery is not more connected to Apium graveolens than are celeriac or leaf celery; Apium graveolens should not redirect to Celery. Two possible solutions are:

Have four articles, on the original species, celery, celeriac and leaf celery. The species article would very briefly discuss the cultivar groups and link to their articles.
Have one article, at the species name, that discusses both the original wild species and the three cultivar groups, with redirects from celery, celeriac and leaf celery.

I propose the first solution. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:45, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Split – option one. Your first proposed solution gets my vote. Thanks, Peter. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 10:17, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Question What are the four articles in option 1? Can you show what exists and would be split? Bluerasberry (talk) 12:20, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Blueraspberry: sorry, thought it was clear. This article would be split into one at "Apium graveolens" covering the original wild species and noting, very briefly, the cultivated groups, and one at "Celery". "Celeriac" and "Leaf celery" would remain (with some copy-editing for consistency). Peter coxhead (talk) 20:05, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Split option one I see, so the only new article would be Apium graveolens, which would take content from celery, Sure, I get why one would want to do this. Bluerasberry (talk) 17:35, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Split – option one. Looking at multiple dictionary definitions of celery, it's pretty clear that it refers to the petiole (leaf stalk) vegetable. The Description and Taxonomy sections of the current article are about the species as a whole. The Europe, Asia and Wild subsections of the Cultivation section are not about the petiole vegetable. Etymology, Harvesting and storage and Nutrition sections are solely about the petiole vegetable. Uses section covers multiple cultivar groups (question, are there particular varieties grown for production of seeds to be used as a spice?) Allergies and Chemistry are relevant to the species and all of the cultivar groups. History section is mixed. Plantdrew (talk) 18:04, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Split – option one. I looked at the first split discussion, and couldn't understand what they were talking about. Abductive (reasoning) 01:25, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Split – option one. Seems to me there is enough material for this to be four articles. The concern about balkanizing content by discipline can be addressed by suitable linking between the articles (or summarizing in one and linking to another, or the like). I could also see "Combine – option two" but it would make for a pretty long article which I think would be a bit awkward. Either option would make more sense than the status quo, in which two of the cultivar groups have their own article and the third does not. Kingdon (talk) 21:23, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Eewilson, Blueraspberry, Plantdrew, Abductive, and Kingdon: after a considerable delay, I finally got round to creating Apium graveolens incorporating information about the species from this article, and reducing this article to one just about the celery cultivar group. If you have time, please check! Peter coxhead (talk) 11:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great. The issue has always been one of a willing and able editor to do the work. Abductive (reasoning) 11:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great. Thank you, Peter. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 13:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changed nitrites to nitrates

Under its uses, I changed the statement "naturally occuring nitrites in celery" to "naturally occuring nitrates in celery". The link speaks of sodium nitrate, not sodium nitrite. TimothyforGod (talk) 09:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Selenium content

Quoting from the article: [Celery] is a rich source of selenium and vitamin K, providing 73% and 24% of the Daily Value, respectively. However, according to https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/169988/nutrients (cited in the article), it actually supplies only 0.4 μg of Selenium, less than 1% of the DV. Is there something I'm missing here? ContributorOfKnowledge (talk) 13:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Thanks for the alert. Zefr (talk) 15:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]