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[edit]Claiming what is now Israel/Palestine is the "ancestral home" of Jews is pure Nazi-level racial superiority BS. It should be worded, "when Jews were exiled from the Levant" or something like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:449:4300:980:A900:C3C5:D2C0:9485 (talk) 12:27, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- To automatically assume Jews were in the Levant is without merit. I certainly, however, do not want to argue so I suggest a quick solution with a question and observation. If what's said is true about the assumption "Jews" were in the Levant please explain why the word "Jew" cannot be found in the Old Testament, the Hebrew Bible, the Pentateuch. Nor even the Christian Bible, the New Testament. Even then not in the Bible itself. The word "Jew" fist appeared "near" the bible only after Cyrus Scofield fell under the influence of famous Zionist attorney Samuel Untermeyer who provided publishing and distribution of Scofield's "Christian Reference Bible" which made Scofield. A great accomplishment considering Scofield was imprisoned for forgery and wife beating and bigamy at an earlier time in his life. Scofield's major talent was oratory and he did attract attention when in his later years he decided to preach in spite of his criminal and immoral aptitude. But this still begs the question "where did Scofield come up with the word "Jew"? 47.200.57.144 (talk) 16:59, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- "Jew" is actually an exonym, and their orignal name, Israelite, can be found in the Hebrew Bible many times. And I'm fairly sure Jews were in the levant considering there was a Jewish majority until the 4th century CE. FaunuX (talk) 18:12, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- There is genetic evidence that Jews originated in the Levant. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_of_Jews (and for instance the reference cited there "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people") Misfit (talk) 10:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also, the term "Yehudi" ("Jew" in Hebrew) is used in the Hebrew Bible https://www.sefaria.org/Zechariah.8.23?vhe=Tanach_with_Ta%27amei_Hamikra&lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en Misfit (talk) 10:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel is well cited. There is a historical continuity between modern Jews and the inhabitants of what is now known as Israel 3000 years ago. Misfit (talk) 12:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- To claim its "Nazi-level" is antisemitic in and of itself. It doesn't mean the Palestinians have to leave or be persecuted, it means its where Jews come from. If anything is "Nazi-level" in this article, its citing Shlomo Sand's use of Khazar theory, a French Israelite and antisemitic idea in the section on Zionism based historically around French cultural supremacy and adapted into White supremacist movements, uncritically.
- Here are some sources to help you with your current misunderstanding:
- - Kingdom of Judah
- - Yahwism
- - Manasseh of Judah
- - Amon of Judah
- - Battle of Megiddo (609 BC)
- - Babylonian exile
- - Cyrus the Great
- - Second Temple period
- - High Priest of Israel
- - Second Temple Judaism
- - Hasmonean dynasty
- - John Hyrcanus
- - Salome Alexandra
- - Antipater the Idumean
- - Herodian dynasty
- - Herod the Great
- - Herodian tetrarchy
- - Herod Agrippa
- - Judaea (Roman province)
- - First Jewish-Roman War
- - Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE)
- - Kitos War
- - Simon bar Kochba
- - Bar Kochba Revolt
- - Aelia Capitolina
- - Balfour Declaration (The wiki article contains the whole declaration. Its only 3 sentences long. I recommend you read the whole thing.)
- These should help give you a start to better knowing what people mean when they say "Jewish homeland" MagyarNavy1918 (talk) 22:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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Change word "negativce" to "negative". Source is Citation 8. Vondangle (talk) 14:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
"Ancient ancestral homeland"
[edit]it's a common phrase, but is it tautological? 123.243.76.241 (talk) 02:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Accuracy of Data Within Ratios Table
[edit]Under the section Historical comparison of Jewish population within the population chart the cells beside Israel are empty. Would this be because during the time period that is being looked at, (1900-1) Israel didn't yet exist as a state? When reviewing the source data [1], it doesn't seem to make mention of Israel in the Table of Ratios of Jewish to Total Population in the Principal Countries and Cities of the World, for the census of 1900-1, instead it notes that there were 650,000 Jews living in Palestine during that time. The table needs to reflect the source data accurately. Rayraychelchel (talk) 02:21, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
The main reason for diaspora lacks
[edit]This page lacks one of the main reasons for diaspora: a voluntary religious choice to wait for the Messiah outside the Holy land. Especially in the early days, when religion was still strong and people were roaming the land with their herds and their tents. Frrbl (talk) 07:14, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
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