Talk:Bob Graham Round

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Need to check the Joss Naylor attempt (60 peaks in 36 hours at age 60), which is from memory. 80.177.213.144 11:16, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Also a reference to Harry Griffin's article (as Lakes writer for the Guardian?) at time of Dr Barbara Moore's John o Groats/Lands End walk, pointing out that Graham's then unbeaten record was a much bigger challenge. Linuxlad 09:02, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

NB - This is NOT (intended to be) a bio-stub! Linuxlad 15:13, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The distance and total height gained stated in the article are dubious. GPS data from 3 bob graham attempts and leg recces suggest the length to be 66 miles with a height gained of 27500 feet. I dont understand how the larger figures are arrived at, the smaller figures probably are deduced from mapping software. (unsigned post by IP 88.211.97.22 on 5th Oct 2006) Linuxlad

The link to Native Trekker appears to be dead and should possibly be removed or updated REWightman (talk) 15:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Removed Native Trekker --Eddie | Talk 11:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Added a link to the new (as of Feb 2008) site of the BGR 24hr club REWightman (talk) 11:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Included Graham's route and worked up a bit. Please be bold and improve. --Eddie | Talk 10:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Usual annual updates regarding numbers. Corrected the actual date of Bob Graham's round - these come from the original schedule held by Fred Rogerson. Added a little more history, completed list of record holders, rewrote one or two sentences that didn't read correctly. The comment about not being attempted until 1960 was incorrect, there were at least two attempts prior to Alan Heaton attempting the round. REWightman (talk) 20:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Corrected three of the external links as their locations have changed. Removed the previous edit about the length of the round and reworded what was there to make it plain that the figure of 72 miles is incorrect even in the official booklet. REWightman (talk) 16:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Tidied up the English in the opening paragraphs - who uses "promulgate" or "actuality"?? Added links to pages on the Paddy Buckley and Ramsay Rounds REWightman (talk) 12:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Pretty well a complete rewrite to make it more factual. The main section is now chronological in its order. Needs more references in the text. Amalgamated the notes about the BGR club in to their own section and included the acceptance rules. REWightman (talk) 14:50, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

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Graphs of the records

I have created and added graphs of the two main records (time for the standard 42-peak BGR, number of peaks within 24 hours). This is really trying to fit too much information onto each graph. I have done my best but am very open to suggestions for improvement or to correct any errors I have made. I have treated, for this purpose, the original Bob Graham round and the Heaton and subsequent repeats as being directly comparable, despite the small variations in peaks included, because otherwise the progression of the records doesn't really make sense.Johnstoo (talk) 15:02, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

F. Spencer Chapman attempt

For some reason the article described this as the first (attempted) repeat of Bob Graham's round. However FSC's own book Memoirs of a Mountaineer gives a detailed account in which he states he was trying to break Thomas's record and giving the date as 17 May 1932. I've updated the article accordingly.

I guess there remains the question of whether this is notable enough to be included at all, but personally I think so as it connects both with Wakefield (FSC was an old Seberghian) and Bob Graham himself (who supported the attempt at Dunmail). 193.115.246.34 (talk) 15:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

I think the error stems from Stud Marks on the Summits, p92: "1937 witnessed a complete circuit of the Graham Round by F. Spencer Chapman, the Arctic and Himalayan explorer, but his time greatly exceeded the 24 hour limit". It's likely that I took that at face value without checking FSC's account and the error has propagated.

Bill Smith did his research pre-computers so it's possible he wrote down 1932 but then misread it as 1937 - pure speculation of course.

I think the attempt should remain in the article, if he did attempt what is now the accepted round (or BG's slight variation of it) then it's possible he knew of Bob Graham's 1931 attempt and the tops included in that round. 185.47.218.148 (talk) 20:39, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

I think that's a near certainty - he says he spent a "long period of training" based in Borrowdale and then lodging with Wakefield in Keswick, who must surely have known all about it. BG himself then shows up on the attempt with a flask of cocoa in hand to pace him from Bowfell to Dunmail and you'd assume they'd also met beforehand, if only to size each other up. Maybe even trained together? The whole thing has a remarkably modern flavor to it.

FSC mentions 30 specific tops plus "the Langdale Pikes" in his account giving very much the shape of the modern round but possibly not a definitive list of what he'd have claimed if he'd been successful. (He doesn't name Esk Pike for example.) Interestingly though he did go over Great Calva which was allegedly the one missing from BG's 41-top attempt.

(Chris Thorpe - didn't mean to be anonymous last time!) 217.14.185.196 (talk) 16:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

The current edition of the 42 Peaks booklet (p. 13) has events in the order you mention. It's mentioned on the same page that it was Eustace Thomas who first included Great Calva plus the Helvellyn ridge in 1922. There does seem to be some "fluidity" in which peaks were included on each attempt, almost as if each contender had their favourites! (Bob Wightman) 185.47.218.148 (talk) 08:53, 22 December 2024 (UTC)